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This is the wreckage caused by raping children. Big old trigger warning: this links to the suicide note of Bill Zeller, an extremely talented programmer who took his own life a few days ago due to psychological damage caused by sexual abuse as a child. Anyone who tries to excuse the rape or sexual abuse of children under any guise or with any excuse should be forced to read this over and over, at least a dozen times, until maybe they get it. And then they should be kicked in the teeth repeatedly for even thinking to do such a stupid thing.

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If there was a "like" feature here, I'd like this comment so much.

I HATE the "suicide is selfish" bullshit. Certainly I'm sympathetic to the people who are made saddened by someone's suicide but I've found that over and over and over again the people who say "suicide is selfish" are NEVER the people who've had to live with debilitating pain.

I am so sorry that Bill lived with such pain and I am so sorry that he saw no other way out of it but I respect his choice to do what was right for him.

All those years I lived with suicidal feelings I KNEW that there were people who "cared" but "caring" means fuck all when you're the one living with the pain. CONCERN IS NOT A CURE.

I think the "suicide is selfish" idea is part of the modern reification of life at all costs (for the right people, of course). It is an idea with which I vehemently disagree.

I'm not a fan of the whole "suicide is selfish" train of thinking. I feel it's a harsh judgment of someone who was suffering enough in some capacity that not living was a better alternative than living.

However, I am also a survivor of suicide, a very messy suicide, and the person who is no longer suffering does leave a *horrible* burden behind (whether that is their intent or not). Many end up suffering from PSTD from the guilt, shame, pain, ridicule, and if the survivor witnessed the suicide, memories. For a lot of people you don't live, you just plod along trying to survive.

I wish that more who were suicidal understood that they will not be forgotten and that the people they are leaving behind aren't being saved, protected or relieved of a burden but that their suicide is going to toss the survivors into the deep end of the pool in a lead bathing suit.

But I guess that's the crux of it. For most people who reach the point that suicide is a viable option, they are in such a bad place that even if you showed them what life would be like after their death, they still would believe that they are better off dying. So selfish, no, no, no. Unable to be rational, yes but arguably, that contributes to the person committing suicide in the first place.

Blech. It's a crappy situation for everyone.

I agree with you but I completely think that suicide is selfish. It is the most selfish thing a person can do. The KEY is that "selfish" ISN'T a bad thing!

I've been reduced to suicidal ideation by emotional trauma pretty recently. Events in my life undermined, invalidated and destroyed my sense of self to a point where I could only imagine asserting control over my "self" by terminating it. Frank Herbert said as Muad'dib, In Dune, of The Spice, "he who can destroy a thing controls a thing", and in the place I was, self-destruction was the only means I could imagine of controlling what happened to me.

Yes, suicide is selfish. It is the last desperate attempt by the ego at reclaiming self-control, at asserting self-determination.

The idea that "selfishness is bad" goes hand in hand with "life at all costs (except for those on death row and wars abroad, and quality of life for the poor and illegal)".

"Social justice" without "individual rights" is meaningless. Any social policy that undermines an individual self, directly or indirectly, is suicidal.

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